(edited from an actual interview)
You were involved with the government's remote viewing program first
as an Army officer, and then, after your retirement from the military,
as a civilian employee, for a total of 18 years. How many operational
taskings--we probably should refer to them as psychic spying missions--did
you engage in during these years?
Over the course of nearly 18 years, I was probably involved in a
few thousand operational taskings. More difficult, however, were
the more than 1000 "viewings" I did for research purposes during
this period. And I probably did another 2500 for practice,operational
demonstrations, private and public demonstrations, and that sort
We know that you're under National Security constraints, and sworn
to secrecy oaths, but are there any taskings or missions that perhaps
have been declassified that you can tell us about?
Well, in 1979, most U.S. Intelligence agencies had become aware
that the Russians had built what was the largest building under
a single roof in the world. No one in these agencies, however, knew
what was going on inside. I was asked to remote viewing this facility,
and I said I thought they were building a submarine. I was also
able to provide specific details about this submarine, including
its size, armament, hull configuration, and even the projected date
of launch. As a result of this information I provided, the intelligence
community was later able to confirm the existence of the new Soviet
"Typhoon"-class submarine--the largest in the world.
Joe, how much of the government's remote viewing program--which
formally existed from 1978 to 1995 would you estimate is still classified?
The Army remote viewing program began in 1978 and ended in November
of1995. Probably less than two percent of the information pertinent
to the program has been released; certainly almost none of the operational
data. A great deal of the research data is still classified as well.
Can you tell us which government agencies utilized you for psychic
My Legion of Merit award, which I received for my work in the remote
viewing program, mentions a number of agencies, including the CIA,
DIA, FBI, Secret Service, Department of Defense, U.S. Customs, and
even the U.S. Coast Guard. There are numerous others which will
remain anonymous. I might add that, as is normally the case, information
of extreme value is always separated from the source, in order to
protect the source. So, it would not be surprising if some of the
agencies that used our services didn't even know they were doing
Apart from yourself who do you think should be acknowledged for
their contributions to remote viewing?
If you want to refer to the "father of remote viewing," you would
have to go back half a century to the French parapsychologist, Rene
Warcollier. At a lecture he delivered at the Sorbonne in June 1946,
he presented the results of hundreds of experiments that he had
conducted in the decades prior. The examples Warcollier presented
were clearly, and without a doubt, remote viewing. Warcollier's
work was certainly limelighted by Ingo Swann's work with the ASPR,
as well as by the work done by Dr. Hal Puthoff and Russell Targ
at SRI International. Pat Price, one of the first remote viewers
to be tested by Puthoff and Targ, certainly was instrumental in
establishing the intelligence value of remote viewing. And, over
the past 10 years, a significant amount of research has been published
by Dr. Edwin C. May of the Cognitive Sciences Lab. We could not
have gotten to where we are without any of these individuals, as
well as the dozens of others who made significant contributions.
You have spent twenty-one years on the cutting edge of paranormal
research. The Romans, the Egyptians, the Bible tribes all appear
to have used extrasensory perception in their armed conflicts. Are
we any better at it now than they were?
Yes and no. If you are asking specifically about remote viewing
as originally applied by the Cognitive Sciences Laboratory and the
US Army, yes. If you are asking about paranormal methodologies applied
in any other context, no.
You are of the opinion hat natural talent, not training, is the
key requisite in a remote viewer. Are there any specific areas of
training – artistic, psychological, verbal – that might be incorporated
in the methodology that would enhance psychic functioning?
In my observation every human being who ever walked into a lab and
was subjected to a properly orchestrated remote viewing experience
under the appropriate controls, demonstrated some degree of psychic
or remote viewing ability. I believe the reason why is that, under
a controlled circumstance, we are seeing another sense being demonstrated,
much like sight or hearing. Which means that every human posesses
some degree of talent.
Did our Russian or Chinese friends have a different methodology
and protocol than the US remote viewers?
To my knowledge yes and no. In my talks with both Russian and Chinese
experimeters who were and still are pursuing investigations into
remote viewing, many of their methods are different. Some of them
are clearly operating within the boundaries of good science and
some of them are not.
During RV sessions, were there polygraph-type biological measurements,
i.e. blood pressure, respiration rate, galvanic skin response taken?
If so were there any correlations between these biometric readings
and successful remote viewing sessions?
We have gone to an excessive extent to biologically measure or model
human thoughts or consciousness while doing successful remote viewing.
To my knowledge, no specific parameter, effect, or measurement has
yet been produced that would differentiate a bad remote viewing
from a successgul remote viewing, other than post hoc analysis of
the targeted material. Essentially, a successful remote viewer is
neither unique biologically nor mentally from any other human being.
However we have found a very strong indication of where just such
a a measurable difference might lie within the human brain/mind
and we are vigorously pursuing it.
One of the great post-Cold War threats is bioterrorism. How can
RV be effectively used to detect potential threats?
Remote viewing can be used like any other intelligence collection
tool. One should remember, however, like all other forms or other
methods of collection, it should never be used in a standalone mode.
It is just as effective against bioterrorism as it is against chemical
nuclear or any other kind of terrorism.
Speaking of terrorists, do you believe RV is being used by them
in their intelligence gathering activites?
Personally I would automatically assume it. Given the paltry financial
resources of most terrorist organisations, it would give them significant
bang for the buck. Because many of these terrorist organisations
operate on limited dollars or with access to limited technology,
there is no reason to assume that they are less sophisticated. Many
of their leaders are very well educated and very dangerous people.
We know that the Soviets experimented with drug-induced psychic
research. Do you feel that the controlled use of hallucinogens might
be of value in RV training and operations?
Absolutely not. Drugs, whether they are hallucinogens or otherwise,
have no place in remote viewing. Experience has taught us that mental
control is everything. Drugs have never been known to enhance mental
control. Drugs have a direct effect on the mind. This may be a positive
effect or may make someone feel like they have more control, where
in reality they do not. Lack of control over one’s mental processes
is very destructive to remote viewing.
Have you remote viewed any future developments in non-lethal weapons
technology that you might care to share?
Sorry, I can neither confirm nor deny any such work.